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About Traverse Town and TWTNW, that are all good questions and I can't answer them completely, but here are some facts: | About Traverse Town and TWTNW, that are all good questions and I can't answer them completely, but here are some facts: | ||
*'''KH3D Ultimania''':"In the first place, the worlds in the rift between darkness and light have different rules than other worlds." | *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"In the first place, the worlds in the rift between darkness and light have different rules than other worlds." | ||
*'''KH3D Ultimania''':"The Mysterious Tower | *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"The Mysterious Tower isn't always standing in a fixed place." | ||
*'''KHBBS Ultimania''':"Mysterious Tower is a loophole world in the first place, so it comes under slightly different rules than the ones that connect the other worlds." | *'''KHBBS Ultimania''':"Mysterious Tower is a loophole world in the first place, so it comes under slightly different rules than the ones that connect the other worlds." | ||
*'''KH3D Ultimania''':"Also, ever since Organisation XIII was defeated in KH2, the The World That Never Was' existence as a world has become uncertain." | *'''KH3D Ultimania''':"Also, ever since Organisation XIII was defeated in KH2, the The World That Never Was' existence as a world has become uncertain." | ||
*'''Famitsu Weekly''':"I want to ask more about The World That Never Was. Is that world a part of reality? Or is also a world of sleep?<br /> | *'''Famitsu Weekly''':"I want to ask more about The World That Never Was. Is that world a part of reality? Or is also a world of sleep?<br /> | ||
Nomura: When that | Nomura: When that world's logo appears, it indicates the boundary between the dream and reality. When Sora arrives, it's reality and then goes into a world of sleep. Riku arrives in the sleeping world, and as you progress and the world logo appears, that's when it becomes reality. | ||
*'''KHBBS Ultimania''':"Traverse Town too reforms its shape every time, which is why the version that appears in this title is clearly different than the version in KH." | *'''KHBBS Ultimania''':"Traverse Town too reforms its shape every time, which is why the version that appears in this title is clearly different than the version in KH." | ||
*'''Japanese KH3D website''':"You are connected through dreams to the Sleeping Worlds. And if you open the "Keyhole of sleep" in that world... The world will be released.." | *'''Japanese KH3D website''':"You are connected through dreams to the Sleeping Worlds. And if you open the "Keyhole of sleep" in that world... The world will be released.." | ||
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:Keep in mind that the novel isn't canon, and therefore doesn't need an explanation for everything. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | :Keep in mind that the novel isn't canon, and therefore doesn't need an explanation for everything. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
::Still, I always felt that often some of worlds' names are deliberately avoided in the game's dialogue when they don't appear in the source material. At least in my mind Jiminy's makes them up together with the room names. Other than that the suggestion from the reddit thread, that theese name appear on a display in the Gummi Ship, is another safe bet. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 00:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | ::Still, I always felt that often some of worlds' names are deliberately avoided in the game's dialogue when they don't appear in the source material. At least in my mind Jiminy's makes them up together with the room names. Other than that the suggestion from the reddit thread, that theese name appear on a display in the Gummi Ship, is another safe bet. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 00:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
I've read the novel again (and am now reading the CoM novel), but they only use the names of worlds that have been used by other characters (like Agrabah and Hollow Bastion). For worlds like Wonderland, only the narrator calls it that. In fact, in the CoM novel, they keep calling the world "Alice's World", although the chapter is called Wonderland. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
::I'm fairly certain I remember Donald saying the words "Wonderland", and Sora saying "Deep Jungle". Can you check again for these two?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Sora does say that the Heartless in Wonderland were stronger than in Traverse Town, but he also says "It's like a land of wonders" before that, so he may have made that name up. I haven't checked Deep Jungle and the later chapters yet. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:44, 16 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
:This actually shows up in Days as well, on Day 78: "Xion: Then this must have been his castle all along. Beast's Castle. He must be the beast. Do you think he's fighting the Heartless, like us?"{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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::Does the Memorial Ultimania define the lanes, gates, and gummi routes ''at all''? If not, I'm unsure what to name the combined section -- unless we call it "Lanes between", and simply mention that, like the Gummi routes, anything that knows where the holes in the wall are can pass through them.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC) | ::Does the Memorial Ultimania define the lanes, gates, and gummi routes ''at all''? If not, I'm unsure what to name the combined section -- unless we call it "Lanes between", and simply mention that, like the Gummi routes, anything that knows where the holes in the wall are can pass through them.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::There is little information in the Memorial Ultimania on those things, you can find a very rough translation [http://kh13.com/news/information-from-the-kingdom-hearts-series-memorial-ultimania-translated here]. The original pages are here: [http://i.imgur.com/5y7bGS2.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/cbvdtxL.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/Cci4OhD.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/dlijy0K.jpg]. There is probably a connection between these travel methods, it just wasn't explained yet. Also there is the case of Betwixt and Between. It's seen both when Kairi leaves Destiny Islands and when Sora enters the corridor in the basement of the Old Mansion. Are these the "lanes" the Corridors of Darkness use? I'll see I can do about the rest of the Gate items, but that's really low priority at the moment. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 00:08, 16 April 2016 (UTC) | :::There is little information in the Memorial Ultimania on those things, you can find a very rough translation [http://kh13.com/news/information-from-the-kingdom-hearts-series-memorial-ultimania-translated here]. The original pages are here: [http://i.imgur.com/5y7bGS2.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/cbvdtxL.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/Cci4OhD.jpg], [http://i.imgur.com/dlijy0K.jpg]. There is probably a connection between these travel methods, it just wasn't explained yet. Also there is the case of Betwixt and Between. It's seen both when Kairi leaves Destiny Islands and when Sora enters the corridor in the basement of the Old Mansion. Are these the "lanes" the Corridors of Darkness use? I'll see I can do about the rest of the Gate items, but that's really low priority at the moment. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 00:08, 16 April 2016 (UTC) | ||
::::Could we get a screenshot of the innards of Betwixt and Between, then? Or is there official concept art?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:01, 21 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
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:I'm reading the 358/2 Days Manga, and the insides of the Corridors of Darkness look exactly like Betwixt and Between, with the Nobody symbols and stuff, so I think Betwixt and Between is a Corridor of Darkness. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:04, 16 April 2016 (UTC) | :I'm reading the 358/2 Days Manga, and the insides of the Corridors of Darkness look exactly like Betwixt and Between, with the Nobody symbols and stuff, so I think Betwixt and Between is a Corridor of Darkness. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:04, 16 April 2016 (UTC) | ||
==Riku and the door== | |||
If all of the barriers were already broken by the Heartless, then why did Riku have to open the door to Destiny Islands in order for the Heartless to show up? What did opening the door do if it didn't crumble the barrier? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 18:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
:I'm not sure if we're talking about semantics here but there is a difference between the barriers of a world disappearing and the heart of a world being consumed by darkness. What Riku did was opening the way for the Heartless to the world's heart but the Heartless were able to show up before because they are not stopped by the barriers (as seen in KHII). In fact the moment the barrier of Destiny Islands was destroyed should have been the night of the meteor shower years before. | |||
:The Ansem report are also very vague on this but if these two events really were the same, we wouldn't have been able to visit any other world in the first game. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 21:06, 9 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
::Opening the doors to worlds causes their Gummi barriers to crumble. But, the Heartless already destroyed all of the Gummi barriers around the worlds. Since this is the case, then why would Riku have to open the door to Destiny Islands? Opening a door to a world's heart does nothing aside from cause the Gummi barriers to crumble. They've already been crumbled though, so what did Riku opening the door do? The Heartless don't need a world's door to be opened in order to get its heart. It just the worlds' Keyholes to be unlocked, which they are until Sora goes around locking them. And in order for a bunch of Heartless to arrive at a world, the Gummi barrier needs to be broken. A hoard of Heartless showed up on Destiny Islands after Riku opened the door. "The islands you grew up on were sundered, scattered... Many hearts were lost to the darkness. Because of what YOU did!" "You hated being an islander, cut off from other worlds. So you opened the door to darkness and destroyed the islands. YOU did that! And now you belong to the darkness. Look at what you are!" - Zexion to Riku | |||
::These quotes wouldn't make sense if what Riku did didn't cause the Heartless to show up. But, what Riku did shouldn't have done anything. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 14:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::But the Heartless can show up either way, so that's not the issue. They appear in Hollow Bastion before the door is opened (see Ansem reports) and they appear all throughout KHII when the barriers are intact again.I think there are two possible options: Either the barrier was already gone and opening the door (again) lured the Heartless directly to the world's heart, resulting in DI being consumed by darkness and Zexion being factually correct. The other option is that Riku's action only destroyed the barrier, which might have not be gone already but there is no meteor shower in the game to prove that. Either way it could also have attracted the Heartless who consumed the world's heart in the process very fast. | |||
:::In the end opening the door resulted in the demise of DI. Maybe the Heartless would have done it themselves given time, but we'll never know that. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 18:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::Yeah, Heartless can still show up in a world with its Gummi barriers up. I meant that the Gummi barriers had to be destroyed in order for a whole hoard of Heartless to show up, since it makes it easier for them to show up. But yeah, you're completely right. The answer could be either of those two options. I'd say it's most likely that opening the door lured the Heartless since it's been stated a few times in the first game that all the Gummi barriers were broken prior by the Heartless. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::I actually just found an interview with Nomura that confirms that all opening the door did, was lure the Heartless in. | |||
:::::'''[http://kh-info-block.tumblr.com/tagged/KHIINom —Speaking of “opening the door”, I'm going to move the subject to the previous game. Why when Riku opened Destiny Island's door, this accidentally called the darkness? Do the powers of Keyblade wielders that are called “Heroes of Light” are connected to darkness?]''' | |||
:::::'''[http://kh-info-block.tumblr.com/tagged/KHIINom Nomura:]''' ''[http://kh-info-block.tumblr.com/tagged/KHIINom Currently Sora and co. are the only Keyblade wielders and they're doing things that grant them the titles “Heroes of Light” but, as stated in the first game's Ansem Report #8 and the secret movie this time, the real Keyblade wielders “can bring chaos to the world, just as one can bring peace to it.”]'' --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 21:26, 31 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
==Scrooge== | |||
How did Scrooge get to Twilight Town?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC) | |||
== World Logo Fonts == | |||
one i'd like to know is the fonts that are used in each world title like castle of dreams for example. --[[Special:Contributions/24.0.175.56|24.0.175.56]] 22:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Org XIII Capturing Hearts == | |||
I suppose it isn't ''directly'' confirmed, but someone on the KH subreddit said Org XIII captures hearts in Days and KH2 by using corridors of darkness to transport freed hearts (from defeated Emblems) to their artifical KH. You can see it here: https://youtu.be/ww2iS3d3GRE?t=33066 | |||
Do we have enough sold info to add it to the page, or does that qualify as speculation? --[[User:Mikoto|Mikoto]] ([[User talk:Mikoto|talk]]) 22:12, 12 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Door to Light == | |||
If I recall correctly, Nomura confirmed somewhere that the light of Sora's heart, brought out by Kairi's letter, was what opened the Door to Light at the end of KH2. But I can't find the source for that now. Anyone have it? --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 04:14, 15 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
:I think this is what you're referring to? | |||
:'''''[[Director's Secret Report XIII]]''', Question III'': "This means that in the ending Sora and Riku are looking at an ocean in the Realm of Darkness from a beach in the Realm Between. This also means that the scene of the door appearing in the ocean of darkness at the end was symbolic of Sora's "deep down, there's a light that never goes out" line from the first game." —[[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 13:34, 15 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Close, but not quite. This would in regards to Sora asking Riku why the door appeared in the after credits scene from KH2, and Riku gesturing at his heart. I swear, in some interview somewhere, someone asked how they got out of there... --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 21:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::Maybe the Memorial Ultimania? This is a translation of the Japanese version, not the official English release, but it's close: "When Sora and Riku were lost in the Realm of Darkness, they found hope in a letter they received from Kairi and were then able to find the Door of Light." —[[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 21:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::No, this specifically mentioned the light of Sora's heart opening the door. IDK, maybe I made it up after all, lol. --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 08:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC) | |||