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 :On the other hand, just because that keyblade is separate from WttD doesn't mean Riku wasn't wielding it. After all, Mickey can summon two different keyblades, one from the realm of light and one from the realm of darkness. We still don't know where he got it from, although I think I can guess...  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 10:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 :: Actually the point is in the interview was that both Riku and Kairi obtained their keyblades in nonstandard ways and its fair to think there is a special meaning to it. The interview even always refers to it as her's not Riku's. Anyway Riku's held it but as for wielding it to battle he has yet to do so I'm not sure its appropriate to list it but if we do it should be labled as Kairi's much like Kingdom Key is labled Sora's and Oblivion is Roxas's. --Lycropath 4:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
+Something like that, yes.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 12:00, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
+:Honestly, and don't take this harshly, I trust fan-translations as far as I can throw their writers, do to the constant speculation that goes into them. For stuff like this, where a twist of a prounoun can change nearly the entire meaning, it is especially important that we are provided the original Japanese text, rather than just told "hey guys, I translated this". For all we know, he could be talking about "Kairi's Keyblade" in the context of the blade's name, like how he talks about "Terra-Xehanort's Master Xehanort's Keyblade"; and then there's the fact that the original interview translation indicates a carried subject for the "handing it to Kairi", while the new one inserts "Keyblade" there.
+:Finally, Riku is the one shown actually summoning it, and the Keyblade pops up again with Aqua NOT being wielded by Kairi, but merely being created by her presence; that and the fact that Riku easily wielded Oblivion despite it belonging to Roxas give strong precedent for it not truly being "the Keyblade belonging to Kairi". That being the case, I've reverted the following two edits, though we can reinstate them if the translation proves to be accurate.
+*[http://www.khwiki.net/index.php?title=Destiny%27s_Embrace&action=historysubmit&diff=555375&oldid=549250]
+*[http://www.khwiki.net/index.php?title=List_of_Keyblade_wielders&action=historysubmit&diff=555367&oldid=554884]
+:All in all, I would feel WAY more comfortable if we were provided the actual text of the interview answer before we go changing everything. You're probably totally, 100% right, but we really need to confirm these things before making changes.
+:Neumannz, in case this person doesn't have the text, can you ask Shard for it? I can go a crack at it as soon as I get it, and lay out the translation notes here for you guys' review.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 13:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
+::http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/images/anotherreportpage28and29.jpg Here you go, the original page, hopefully I'm not blowing air out of my ass following another translation butwith the way the story is developing I just don't think it possible Riku Synch Blade'd the damn thing. XD --Lycropath 9:54, 8 May (PST)
+:リクが新たに手に入れる『ウェイトゥザドーン』とカイリの持つキーブレードの説明とキーブレード使いになる為の条件を教えてください。
+:Please give us an explanation for the "Way to the Dawn" that Riku recently obtained and the Keyblade that Kairi possesses, and of the requirements for becoming able to wield a Keyblade.
+::キーブレードは光、闇1つの側に1本という訳では無く、資格を持つ者の心の数だけ存在します。それを持つ条件に関しては今の段階では、「心が強い者」という条件が唯一明らかになっていますが、まだ明らかになってない条件もありそれはまた別の機会に明かす予定です。リクの『ウェイトゥザドーン』やカイリの持つキーブレードは性質的にはソラの持つキーブレードと同種の物になります。ただ『ソウルイーター』を媒介として発生したり、カイリはリクから手渡されたり、詳しい説明のない、通常の入手手順ではない辺り、何やら裏があると思って頂いていいと思います。
+::That Keyblades are Light and Dark is not to say that there is one per side, and there exist as many of them as there are hearts of those who possess the capability. At the current stage, in regards to the requirements for possession, the only requirement that has become obvious is for "those whose hearts are strong", but there are also other requirements that have not yet been made clear, and we plan to reveal them at another opportunity. In nature, Riku's "Way to the Dawn" and the Keyblade that Kairi possesses have become objects of the same nature as the Keyblade that Sora holds. However, there is no full explanation for the "Soul Eater" being generated as an intermediary [for the Way to the Dawn], or [the Keyblade that Kairi possesses] being handed over to Kairi from Riku, and when it's not close to the normal obtainment procedure, I think it's okay to feel that there's something more than meets the eye.
+*T/L notes: The interview consistently calls the Destiny's Embrace {{nihongo|"The Keyblade Kairi possesses"|カイリの持つキーブレード|Kairi no Motsu Kiibureedo}}, just as it talks about "The Keyblade Sora possesses". Also, it's easy to see how the line was confused as talking about the Soul Eater for both clauses; it uses verb enumeration to talk about both Keyblades' obtainments in turn without restating the subjects. I've added some ''sic'' stuff to clarify. Finally, the first line is following on from the previous discussion about Keyblades of Light and Darkness.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:05, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
+With Nomura's explanation, it sounds like he's saying "It's supposed to be like an Inheritance Ceremony but it's all weird and I don't care to clean this up." So, for our purposes...it ''became'' Kairi's after being couriered to her by Riku, just as the Kingdom Key was couriered to Riku by Sora. As such, I think we should still treat it as if it was Riku's at one point (and I want to know where the hell he got it).{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:05, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
+{{neumannz|time=01:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)|text=Until we are explicitly told otherwise, I choose to believe Riku made a visit to the Chamber of Repose...}}
+== Riku Replica ==
+God dammit.
+That's what the solution is.
+That's why he can leave the Way to the Dawn there for his other self, and still come back with Braveheart, a fully separate Keyblade.
+God dammit, Riku Replica is his Ventus.
+Which implies that Sora could have been wielding four damn Keyblades.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:51, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
+== "default weapon" ==
+I'm not sure that's exactly appropriate, because that's the language we use for party members. Shouldn't we just leave it blank?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:20, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
+:But she is a party member, if only very briefly. EDIT: Thought you meant KH3, but yeah we might want to use N/A for KH2. EDIT2: I removed the entire Obtainment part, like we do with other NPC Keyblades. Also, this comment is a mess. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:01, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
+== KH3 Render ==
+Should we take a photo of Destiny Embrace from the KH3 Ultimania or find some online render for it's f=view in KH3? Because as it stands, we have no image for KH3 Destiny embrace.
+:I had a quick skim through the Ultimania and I was only able to find a render of Destiny's Embrace on page 23, it's pretty small (about 249x155) and would not necessarily make for the best image. I guess at that point it depends on whether or not a really small and not very high quality image would be preferable to no image at all. Oathkeeper & Oblivion and Wayward Wind are in the same boat. [[User:Pureautism|Pureautism]] ([[User talk:Pureautism|talk]]) 09:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)