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DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 07:52, January 24, 2010 (UTC) As I have noticed in the past month from watching over the Recent Changes, our policy for no socializing or non-wiki conversation on users' talk pages has been completely ignored. This is why we set up the IRC Channel; although it now is the common place of socialization for the community, the amount of conversation that takes place on users' talk pages is still far too much. In fact, any at all is too much if the user knows the policy, yet is deliberately going against it. Since there has been no reason to uplift this policy from the time that it originated and that this is not just being done by new users who are unfamiliar with our policy, I am going to start slapping warnings on users who continue to use users' talk pages for socialization and conversations not related to matters dealing with the wiki in the future. However, since a user should most certainly not be permanently banned immediately for this matter, I would like for the following bulleted system to be used when dealing with a user who was received all of their warnings due to conversation on users' talk pages. I also think it would be best if a warning for conversation on a user's talk page could only be given x time after the last one, so that a user isn't bombarded with three warnings after three messages, and ends up with a ban due to posting three messages. Banning First need of a ban: blocked from the wiki for one day Second occurrence: blocked from the wiki for three days Third occurrence: blocked from the wiki for five days Fourth occurrence: blocked from the wiki for one week or permanent ban I run into a problem here, since I am not sure if the pattern should continue after the fourth occurrence or if it should just be plainly obvious that the user is going to continue conversing on users' talk pages and should just be permanently banned. Please leave your input here, so that this may be immediately put into action. I'm pretty darn tired of seeing so many edits to users' talk pages crowding up the Recent Changes, and I want this to be where it stops.

Discussion

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Sounds pretty fair to me, assuming that there is a normal warning (i.e. a warning from one user to another, not a warining using the template) first, just in case the person is un aware.

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!" That's a stupid and unfair idea!

HeartofOblivion Talk to me! — There was something important... Oh yes! I've decided on the pancakes. Blueberry! Can you get me some cotton candy? Blue, not PINK !!!! — 15:49, January 24, 2010 (UTC) Although you think he's being mean, DTN is right. The talk pages are meant for talking to other users about projects, help or questions. Didn't you Malevolence Crystalised just bring this up here? From what I'm reading on that, is you basically restated what we said the first time we agreed that talk pages should not be used for random idle chat. The problem is although we keep saying that's what the pages are for, we have never really enforced it. DTN merely came up with a solution so people spend more time on here adding to the Wiki instead of just talking about Kingdom Hearts or whatnot. I would also like to point out that any user, new or old, can give warnings to users as long as it is justified. DTN is not targeting anyone specifically like he said. There are people who have been around when we first created the rule that still only edit on talk pages. I myself used the talk pages to talk about Dissidia once or twice. And going to the Admins and asking for DTN to be de-modded is very rude. DTN has put in more work on this Wiki than many users combined. He put this up here so there could be feedback from the community especially from the Admins who are in charge of banning users. That and he, like many others, are tired of having to look through all the talk page edits on the Recent Changes page to find actual work being done.

SUPER SWORD-CHUCKS Talk Page, yo! — I like swords! Sword-Chucks, yo!— 16:42, January 24, 2010 (UTC) This sounds fair enough.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 17:11, January 24, 2010 (UTC) I find myself surprised to say that I'm in favor of DTN in this matter. The purpose of the IRC Channel, as we all know, was to reduce the RC clog. From what I've seen, people merely use this as a sort of convenience, a "part 2" to the chatting, if you will, rather than the intended purpose. I find the "warn/block" idea a tad harsh, though. If this is what we decide to do, it should be the person starting the chat that faces the punishment, not the victim. I know a few users who come to me (as well as others) and start talking away, and it is my (and others) obligation not to be rude and respond. The decent editor shouldn't be punished for a simple matter like this. When one doesn't know the policy, I could see where this makes sense. I know that I, along with a few others, have attempted to reduce the amount of chit-chat on his or her talk page by placing "talk page rules." If warnings/blockings are necessary, by all means, they should be used. We need to be fair about this, however. It will be a matter of enforcing the policy this time, and sticking to it. Attempting to cease this chatting and the difficulty resulting is inevitable. What are we to do if we receive issues of chit-chat, however? I thought it was also against the policy to remove messages? Would it be a simple "meet me on the IRC ordeal?" Then again, that would also open up the issue of some not having IRC access, to which I'm not sure a "well tough" is the best response...

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 18:03, January 24, 2010 (UTC) HeartOfOblivion: Thank you very much for that compliment, and I think that according to this discussion, only staffers can place warning templates. Other editors should leave a polite, non-aggressive text warning on the "vandal"'s talk page, and then contact a staffer to have a warning template placed. EternalNothingnessXIII: This should eventually "slow down" or even cease once users can receive warnings for such conversation. After all, it is just a warning; when you have three warnings and therefore are right on the edge of a block/ban, then it is something that is definitely serious. To answer your question, what should be done if a user does try to chat away on your talk page is to reply kindly, but then remind them of the policy and invite them to the IRC Channel if you and/or they wish to continue the conversation. However, when a user continuously posts socialization-intended messages on your talk page after having been reminded by the talk page's user, then they need a warning from a staffer. So, in the future, just reply to their message, and tell them that (if tyou and/or they want to continue chatting) need to move the conversation to the IRC Channel in a private Query. Also, if an Admin wouldn't mind putting this back into the site notice, that would be great. Thanks!